Wait, hold on here. Are you asking why they don’t report numbers on unreported crimes? And more so you want numbers on average jail time to include not convicted and even not accused individuals as rapists?
That’s a lot of words I didn’t say that you just put in my mouth.
My point is that the number of rapists is much higher than the reported stats will have you believe. Rape and sexual assaults don’t get reported nearly as often as other types of crime.
I do believe there are a lot more crimes committed then reported, don’t assume I have a position for your narrative. With that being said, please tell me how a reasonable person would not take below as I did?
Stats on rape and sexual assault should include instances where the perpetrator doesn’t see any jail time because the rape and sexual assault still happens.
Just because a victim doesn’t report does not mean that the perpetrator is innocent.
You want statistics to include unreported crimes as in your first sentence. Your last sentence calls for an implied guilt of everyone implicated in a sexual assault, no beyond that, as you said “… A victim doesn’t report does not mean that the perpetrator…”
This is how you get a police state, where anyone at any time can be destroyed when a person with more power wants it. Do you honestly think this will help victims? Even more so sexual assault victims? The idea that you want stats (that have in this day an age a shaky relationship with the truth) to start including make believe data points in order to push an objective is so bassackwards that I can only see it coming from an american.
Most of us know crimes (more so of a sexual intent) are under reported, the idea that numbers should be fudged (once again that you clearly imply) to make the report fit better with any narrative (good intentions and all that) is so mind numbingly insane that they made a movie about how bad an idea it is.
Yes, I am sure they do good work. But you can see the issue of making data driven policy is dangerous based on biased data, right? Your point is that we should include at least one “rapist” every time someone calls in for support, making the number of days behind bars on average stupid low for that category of crime. The help line is not vetting or investigating these incidents, they are not set up to nor should they be made to do something so far outside their mandate. This group also does lobbying to update the legal setting, something that although noble is not without issue and definitely involves a clear that makes them almost as bad as the police that toss rape kits as far as a data source.
So now if we take your example we are going to see a unverified massive spike in sexual violence, and a massive decrease in time behind bars per incident. This would not have the effect you think it will, this will bury the real issue of already low sentences and conviction rates under so much anonymous noise that any real data driven policy will be impossible. In fact I would not be shocked to see laws passed that just re defined the crime to “fix” the wild numbers, further hurting the chances of justice. The very idea that a help line that will pick up the phone and assist regardless of facts or understanding (as is appropriate for such a help line, I would not have it another way) makes such a data set useful in a wet finger in the wind way at best.
But these stats are about jail time for convicted rapists, not on how many rapists there are. We’re trying to look at sentencing data for rapists. Nobody is disputing that there are rapists out there who got away with it. Everybody knows the number of rapists is greater than the number of accused and/or convicted.
Wait, hold on here. Are you asking why they don’t report numbers on unreported crimes? And more so you want numbers on average jail time to include not convicted and even not accused individuals as rapists?
You would love the movie Minority Report.
That’s a lot of words I didn’t say that you just put in my mouth.
My point is that the number of rapists is much higher than the reported stats will have you believe. Rape and sexual assaults don’t get reported nearly as often as other types of crime.
I do believe there are a lot more crimes committed then reported, don’t assume I have a position for your narrative. With that being said, please tell me how a reasonable person would not take below as I did?
You want statistics to include unreported crimes as in your first sentence. Your last sentence calls for an implied guilt of everyone implicated in a sexual assault, no beyond that, as you said “… A victim doesn’t report does not mean that the perpetrator…”
This is how you get a police state, where anyone at any time can be destroyed when a person with more power wants it. Do you honestly think this will help victims? Even more so sexual assault victims? The idea that you want stats (that have in this day an age a shaky relationship with the truth) to start including make believe data points in order to push an objective is so bassackwards that I can only see it coming from an american.
Most of us know crimes (more so of a sexual intent) are under reported, the idea that numbers should be fudged (once again that you clearly imply) to make the report fit better with any narrative (good intentions and all that) is so mind numbingly insane that they made a movie about how bad an idea it is.
Statistics on rape and sexual assault should include that information, yes.
There are victims more willing to be honest about what has happened to them in polls and surveys than reporting to the police.
Just because a victim of rape did not report it to the police does not mean the rape didn’t happen. I’m not suggesting numbers be fudged or made up.
I’ve said nothing on punishing people who have not been convicted in a court of law.
You very literally said
How exactly do you expect unreported crimes to be included in the stats?
Stats on rape and sexual assault should include it, not stats on jail time for offenders.
None of you have looked into stats on rape and sexual assault before. It’s almost always included in some way because reporting of rape is very low.
Again, how exactly do you want unreported crimes to be included? We just modify the numbers in ways that make our position look better, or…?
They already get included in some stats about rape and sexual assault.
Do you think reporting to the police is the only way people find out about rape?
Those do not sound like stats.
Check out rainn.org
Those numbers get tracked regardless because many rape victims do not report to police.
Edit:
This page in particular you might find interesting.
Yes, I am sure they do good work. But you can see the issue of making data driven policy is dangerous based on biased data, right? Your point is that we should include at least one “rapist” every time someone calls in for support, making the number of days behind bars on average stupid low for that category of crime. The help line is not vetting or investigating these incidents, they are not set up to nor should they be made to do something so far outside their mandate. This group also does lobbying to update the legal setting, something that although noble is not without issue and definitely involves a clear that makes them almost as bad as the police that toss rape kits as far as a data source.
So now if we take your example we are going to see a unverified massive spike in sexual violence, and a massive decrease in time behind bars per incident. This would not have the effect you think it will, this will bury the real issue of already low sentences and conviction rates under so much anonymous noise that any real data driven policy will be impossible. In fact I would not be shocked to see laws passed that just re defined the crime to “fix” the wild numbers, further hurting the chances of justice. The very idea that a help line that will pick up the phone and assist regardless of facts or understanding (as is appropriate for such a help line, I would not have it another way) makes such a data set useful in a wet finger in the wind way at best.
But these stats are about jail time for convicted rapists, not on how many rapists there are. We’re trying to look at sentencing data for rapists. Nobody is disputing that there are rapists out there who got away with it. Everybody knows the number of rapists is greater than the number of accused and/or convicted.
I was just expanding on the topic and engaging in conversation.
Sorry I didn’t put the disclaimer that men accused of rape are much bigger victims than actual rape victims. /s