Vaping came out when I was still smoking and even back then I knew it was bullshit. Especially with cigarette companies pushing it so hard.
And in other breaking news, forks found in kitchen and dog barks at passing car.
It kills me that this was initially shoved out there as a safe alternative to smoking. No actually research, just trust us bro. And of course all this starts coming out and some people are still of the opinion that its safe due to the initial marketing push. Money at all costs, fuck capitalism.
Relatively safe != safe, it just means more safe than the thing being compared to. It’s likely still a big improvement over smoking.
That is a fair assessment, I thankfully never picked up a smoking habit. If vaping got some folks to quit smoking then it did serve as an efficient off ramp. I’ve watched close relatives wither from lung cancer, wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Hope you’re in good health and spirits.
So far so good, though we’ll see how my own time smoking and vaping catches up to me in the end.
And then you hear shit like living in a city is as bad for your lungs as smoking from all the car exhaust and figure “well at least I’m back down to just smoking risk instead of 2x smoking risk”. I am (hopefully) relatively healthier than I was when I did smoke, though unfortunately older.
Hope your health reflects your healthy choices well and that you haven’t gotten old in the meantime while seeing how it goes. :)
Also let’s remember how it was originally marketed: You start with the dose that matches your smoking habit, 18 or 24mg of nicotine per bottle, and then work your way towards 0%, and then you can just give it up. It’s how I quit smoking. I am pretty sure that few years of vaping was safer for me than the next 40 (well probably a lot less) of smoking would be.
Yeah, and the flavours helped because it wasn’t as satisfying as cigarettes but you could have fun flavours to at least make it enjoyable and interesting enough to not just want a cigarette instead (or in addition).
Good, take me from this planet faster
Yesterday was 4 weeks without nicotine for me.
YES!!! I’m SO happy for you!!! That’s awesome!
Dude congrats!! You’re past the worst of it, in my opinion. If you relapse, you relapse, but now you know what you’re capable of. You got this!
I really don’t want to relapse.
Ymmv on that one. I still get random cravings, 5 years after completely quitting. I still occasionally smoke in dreams. It latched on to me extra hard.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I still get random cravings and it’s been years for me as well. I doubt they’ll ever go away. That said though, every time I tried to quit, it was those first two weeks that were hell every time, so four weeks is a big deal IMO
Congratulations, that’s a great accomplishment! Hopefully you are able to hit 4 months, then 4 years, then 4 decades.
Idk man seems obvious to me.
how so? isn’t it the smoke that’s bad?
Lungs are simply not made for absorption of substances. The tissues are very delicate and are there for the exchange of gases. Everything else is a pollution.
I suspect it’s what got mixed in the nicotine. It is probably impossible economically to have a pure nicotine probably dangerous even. I haven’t read the article to be fair.
I read it. It’s not compelling.
The first cited research regarding DNA damage is a dead link. It says “error: this is not a published article” or something like that.
The second cited research is an abstract claiming that 20% of mice developed lung cancer after being exposed to vape smoke for 9 weeks. The methodology is blocked behind a paywall, but I’m betting they concentrated trace components and blasted mice with it for two months straight. This isn’t very informative; if I concentrated the carcinogens found in normal city air, I could probably achieve a higher kill rate.
A better example of this strategy would be if I blasted mice with extremely high intensity UV radiation to prove that the sun was dangerous. Sure, 90% of mice would quickly get skin cancer, but it doesn’t tell us how harmful the sun is in real scenarios. Blasting an animal with a lifetime worth of sun in an hour is more dangerous than gradual exposure.
Tobacco the plant has a host of carcinogens. No matter where you put tobacco -mouth, lungs, bladder, nose, ass, wherever-it causes cancer. The article’s claim that nicotine causes lung cancer but nicotine gum is safe is pretty ridiculous.
Source: I’m a chemist. Part of my schooling was making mundane results appear as sensational as possible.
I suspect it has to do with repeated inhalation of something that is not air, but I’m not a doctor nor a scientist so this is purely vibes
this just in: inhaling cancerous chemicals causes cancer. More at 10
The cancerous chemical company said this one wasn’t proven to cause cancer. Who was I supposed to believe?
Besides, without cancerous smoke packets, I’d still be using cancerous smoke sticks. Are you saying I should still be using the sticks? You freak. Those things cause cancer!
Gee who could have guessed that inhaling dubious chemicals causes lung problems.
it’s not that hard to quit smoking if you stop drinking
I’ma be so annoyed if there are meaningful second hand vaping effects -_-
It’s so silly that people are rushing to defend vaping here. Just admit that inhaling shit into your lungs isn’t good for you and that the rich people profiting off your addiction want to keep up the charade as long as possible. Just admit, like all people who smoke cigarettes do, that it’s bad for you and that you’ll continue doing it.
I drank diet sodas for years, but I avoided defending it even though the evidence was inconclusive. I know the corporate goons want it to be perceived as healthy, so I don’t want to play into their plans regardless of how convenient it is for me. Our addictions aren’t healthy, and we need to own up to that even if we aren’t strong enough to resist them.
Just admit, like all people who smoke cigarettes do, that it’s bad for you
I still know people who insist smoking isn’t bad for you. Typically with some kind of “Actually, oranges and swimming pools kill more people than cigarettes do, so it’s no big deal” rejoinder. It’s genuinely maddening.
Just admit, like all people who smoke cigarettes do, that it’s bad for you and that you’ll continue doing it.
I don’t know why people can’t just do this. I drink — sometimes like a fish — and I know it’s not good for me and likely will take years off of my life. But I like it. So oh fucking well.
I’ll always be thankful that vaping got me off tobacco, and eventually nicotine too. But there’s an abyssal gulf between the self assembled, diy vape and self mixed liquid that vaping started at, and the white ox grade addiction pods that vaping has become.
There’s absolutely no reason to have the default strength be 50mg/mL, unless optimising for addiction without quite hitting a poisonous dose.
Which fricking vape pod has 50mg/mL? That’s even worse than the strongest cigarettes. I was on 3-5mg/mL and eventually weaned off completely. Good god, 50mg would be awful!
The gas station disposable pods are like that. That wah they can delivers lot of drug with little power consumption
There’s also dry herb vapes, which while not innocent by any means, are likely better than anything with ejuice
The article is about nicotine vapes, not weed.
As long as you are low temp vaping weed, dry herb vapes don’t emit any meaningful amount of carcinogens till you start getting above 180C. Inhaling anything besides air isn’t great but as far I’m aware (I’m not super educated on the matter) low temp dry herb weed vapes are less harmful than the nasty disposal nic vapes everyone’s addicted too.
yeah and no cotton wick or coils to burn out when you run out of juice / clog / whatever, which I believe is part of the reason nicotine vapes can release heavy metals / carcinogens.
I assume cannabis is the dry herb in the dry herb vape and not tobacco. In which case, consumers don’t typically hit that vape compulsively every 5 minutes and there’s a vast difference in volume of inhaled vapor.
Had a diet soda after work yesterday. Just sat down right now after getting home from work and am craving one intensely.
There is no way something so yummy and habit forming is consequence-free.
Idk man, liking diet soda is kinda weird.
Right? There’s nothing good about synthetic sweetener. Why not go with the “devil you know” (sugar) which actually tastes better? I don’t get it
Can’t speak for the poster above, but my pancreas decided a couple decades ago to stop producing insulin. So, the “devil I know” will turn my blood into pancake syrup in short order if I’m not careful.
I mean, no shit it will, but good on the Aussie government to fund the study so that it’s all already proven. It’s fucking impossible to debate some people without linking to studies like you’re defending a Goddamned fucking doctoral thesis.
Showing evidence doesn’t even work generally. Psychology doesn’t work that way sadly.
- on average
Whoever that user was a while back who was fighting mad at me for suggesting nicotine was harmful-- I’m sure you’re mad about this article too.
Nicotine itself is safe in appropriate quantities. It’s the delivery mechanism that is really dangerous.
According that angry user, glycerin or whatever they use is a billion percent safe so no way.
The tobacco lobby’s dead body still twitching it seems.
Ingesting combustible materials into your lungs increases your odds of cancer.
Vaping by definition is not combustion, but yes inhaling any foreign substance isn’t good
What’s a non-foreign substance that goes into your lungs?
Oxygen, nitrogen, and a little argon.
A little bit of water too, as a treat.
Those seem pretty foreign to me. Definitely not lung tissue.
You’re so smart. Good boy!
