Not to my knowledge. I had understood that they were allowed to stay. In Rhodesia they had “their” land expropriated, so many chose to leave, and In South Africa they had their political dominance ended. The issue of land expropriation remains under debate.
In both cases it wasn’t bloodless, and south Africa retains a white population to this day, so clearly not genocided.
I am not deeply familiar with the history of Zimbabwe, so if you are, please enlighten me.
The end of “Israel” will probably go similarly. The people who are fine with living alongside Palestinians as equal citizens will stay, the racial supremacists will leave, at least some war criminals will need to be punished, though it’s basically a society of war criminals from top to bottom, so all of them won’t be feasible. There will be some bloodshed but hopefully not too much.
I’m not deeply familiar with Zimbabwe either, but there wasn’t a white genocide.
Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn’t. Palestinians are generally very kind (and very religious) people, though positive generalizations are still generalizations. Or yeah, maybe they wouldn’t be willing to risk making the same mistake twice, and no one could really reasonably blame them for that either.
Long way to go before we need to think too hard about that anyway, unfortunately.
Israel could stop existing without a single person dying.
It wouldn’t happen, but it could.
Exile, statelessness, and ethnic cleansing are forms of genocide.
Were whites genocided with the fall of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa?
Not to my knowledge. I had understood that they were allowed to stay. In Rhodesia they had “their” land expropriated, so many chose to leave, and In South Africa they had their political dominance ended. The issue of land expropriation remains under debate.
In both cases it wasn’t bloodless, and south Africa retains a white population to this day, so clearly not genocided.
I am not deeply familiar with the history of Zimbabwe, so if you are, please enlighten me.
The end of “Israel” will probably go similarly. The people who are fine with living alongside Palestinians as equal citizens will stay, the racial supremacists will leave, at least some war criminals will need to be punished, though it’s basically a society of war criminals from top to bottom, so all of them won’t be feasible. There will be some bloodshed but hopefully not too much.
I’m not deeply familiar with Zimbabwe either, but there wasn’t a white genocide.
That’s fair.
It’s not exile if you’re not from there.
You’re not stateless if you’re not from there.
It’s not ethnic cleansing if you are a colonizer being removed.
With that said I don’t generally think that Israelis born there should be removed. But that’s up to the Palestinians, it’s their land.
That’s a fair compromise. Sucks for the people born there, but it’s a lesson to not do colonization.
Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn’t. Palestinians are generally very kind (and very religious) people, though positive generalizations are still generalizations. Or yeah, maybe they wouldn’t be willing to risk making the same mistake twice, and no one could really reasonably blame them for that either.
Long way to go before we need to think too hard about that anyway, unfortunately.
True, and I do think we need to expand our imagination to include outcomes that don’t rest on Israeli hegemony.
Can’t build a better world if you don’t imagine one first, that’s for sure.