A woman is facing two felony charges after a witness said she purposely hit a cyclist with her minivan in a Key West road rage incident on Monday night, injuring her and fleeing the scene, according to the city’s police department.
If the psycho had said “damn Mexicans!” While living in texas and then commiting the same crime, and then the commenter said “why would you live in Texas if you hate Mexicans?” Then yeah that seems equally a weird thing to focus on. It’s not like if she lived somewhere without people she hated it would make her any less hateful.
Edit: Also I do find it weird in an incomparable way to respond to an attempt on someone’s life with “why you hating on tourists man? They got a right to be there!” Which is always a weird thing to say imo, but especially in the context of violence.
I can see the perspective you’ve laid out, though in a broad sense, when a person commits a wrongdoing of any sort, is it not reasonable to ask and discuss why they did the thing? Seems reasonable to me.
The discussion was ‘the motivation for this action is x’, followed by ‘talking about the motivation at all is weird’. The minutiae isn’t relevant to my initial point.
This seems to boil down to what is considered ‘weird’ behaviour. I guess I have a different view than you do as to what is strange to have a discussion about.
It will always be weird to defend tourists and that’s obviously all this was. Maybe you can point to any value of the discussion that I missed? “Wah tourists are good for you” is not valuable imo
See I think we have different interpretations of the parent comment. You’ve read it as a critique of tourism and consider it “obviously all this was”.
I read that same comment and see the pondering thought of ‘why not move if you dislike it so much?’ in the same way I would if this were a story of a tenth generation Texan being angry about the heat and expressing that anger via some violent measure.
The comment doesn’t read as ‘tourism is the problem’ to me at all, which has been why I’ve described it as a comment on motivation and see it as a valid discussion point. Even when I reread it and play around with where emphasis might be in the sentence if it had been spoken aloud and not written, it feels like a stretch to say it’s either pro or anti tourist.
Sort of a flaw with quick off the cuff comments in a text based medium, but oh well.
I don’t see what tourists helping the local economy would have to do with anything. That is what they brought up. Their comment reads the exact same way as many other comments I have seen where users are mad that tourists are criticized. The only reason I can think of to do that is being defensive. In any case, I think it’s pretty weird to bring up that tourists help the local economy when violence has occurred. There were several upvotes in all comments where I said anything like this so it’s not just me. 🤷♂️
If they had left out what the woman said before committing violence I would’ve thought precisely the same about the incident. And that makes perfect sense to me, the motive was obviously road rage.
I feel like my point is entirely proven by the fact that instead of discussing how cars are a problem in society, we’re going back and forth for over a day about whether or not what this psycho’s words matter or not. The reason this article was posted was to highlight car culture impacting society. This is not /c/touristsarepeopletoo
I don’t see what tourists helping the local economy would have to do with anything.
Well yes, that’s precisely my point. I read the tourism aspect as largely irrelevant, as I’ve tried to get across multiple times with the examples of switching tourism out for race or for heat. It could have been loads of things.
There were several upvotes in all comments where I said anything like this so it’s not just me.
Discussing vote totals is weird. But seeing as you’ve introduced it, I would remind you that not everyone uses the vote system as you seem to. I myself have upvoted your comments as I would anyone that continues a discussion. I wouldn’t downvote someone for having a different opinion, that would be a bit childish for my tastes.
Further, a handful of upvotes does not make your view correct and any dissenting opinion incorrect. If that were the case, you must be wrong as I only see one downvote on that parent comment we’ve been going back and forth about. I wonder who that could be. The surprising thing about a comment thread more than a few deep like this one is that evidently people other than you and I are still reading this far.
Anyway, I apologise for having such a long exchange. I’d thought we were having a decent discussion, not arguing semantics. It is worth noting this is sort of a byproduct of text based discussions. Had we done this verbally we’d have been concluded in ten or fifteen minutes.
Weird to comment on the motive? If the driver had shouted a slur before hitting this person, would that be a weird thing to focus on?
If the psycho had said “damn Mexicans!” While living in texas and then commiting the same crime, and then the commenter said “why would you live in Texas if you hate Mexicans?” Then yeah that seems equally a weird thing to focus on. It’s not like if she lived somewhere without people she hated it would make her any less hateful.
Edit: Also I do find it weird in an incomparable way to respond to an attempt on someone’s life with “why you hating on tourists man? They got a right to be there!” Which is always a weird thing to say imo, but especially in the context of violence.
I can see the perspective you’ve laid out, though in a broad sense, when a person commits a wrongdoing of any sort, is it not reasonable to ask and discuss why they did the thing? Seems reasonable to me.
When the discussion is “she shouldn’t live there if she is annoyed by tourists”, then no. That’s just op feeling defensive.
The discussion was ‘the motivation for this action is x’, followed by ‘talking about the motivation at all is weird’. The minutiae isn’t relevant to my initial point.
This seems to boil down to what is considered ‘weird’ behaviour. I guess I have a different view than you do as to what is strange to have a discussion about.
It will always be weird to defend tourists and that’s obviously all this was. Maybe you can point to any value of the discussion that I missed? “Wah tourists are good for you” is not valuable imo
See I think we have different interpretations of the parent comment. You’ve read it as a critique of tourism and consider it “obviously all this was”.
I read that same comment and see the pondering thought of ‘why not move if you dislike it so much?’ in the same way I would if this were a story of a tenth generation Texan being angry about the heat and expressing that anger via some violent measure.
The comment doesn’t read as ‘tourism is the problem’ to me at all, which has been why I’ve described it as a comment on motivation and see it as a valid discussion point. Even when I reread it and play around with where emphasis might be in the sentence if it had been spoken aloud and not written, it feels like a stretch to say it’s either pro or anti tourist.
Sort of a flaw with quick off the cuff comments in a text based medium, but oh well.
I don’t see what tourists helping the local economy would have to do with anything. That is what they brought up. Their comment reads the exact same way as many other comments I have seen where users are mad that tourists are criticized. The only reason I can think of to do that is being defensive. In any case, I think it’s pretty weird to bring up that tourists help the local economy when violence has occurred. There were several upvotes in all comments where I said anything like this so it’s not just me. 🤷♂️
If they had left out what the woman said before committing violence I would’ve thought precisely the same about the incident. And that makes perfect sense to me, the motive was obviously road rage.
I feel like my point is entirely proven by the fact that instead of discussing how cars are a problem in society, we’re going back and forth for over a day about whether or not what this psycho’s words matter or not. The reason this article was posted was to highlight car culture impacting society. This is not /c/touristsarepeopletoo
Well yes, that’s precisely my point. I read the tourism aspect as largely irrelevant, as I’ve tried to get across multiple times with the examples of switching tourism out for race or for heat. It could have been loads of things.
Discussing vote totals is weird. But seeing as you’ve introduced it, I would remind you that not everyone uses the vote system as you seem to. I myself have upvoted your comments as I would anyone that continues a discussion. I wouldn’t downvote someone for having a different opinion, that would be a bit childish for my tastes.
Further, a handful of upvotes does not make your view correct and any dissenting opinion incorrect. If that were the case, you must be wrong as I only see one downvote on that parent comment we’ve been going back and forth about. I wonder who that could be. The surprising thing about a comment thread more than a few deep like this one is that evidently people other than you and I are still reading this far.
Anyway, I apologise for having such a long exchange. I’d thought we were having a decent discussion, not arguing semantics. It is worth noting this is sort of a byproduct of text based discussions. Had we done this verbally we’d have been concluded in ten or fifteen minutes.
Enjoy your weekend and your contributive upvote.